Penulis Topik: (Buat Apa) Demo Anti Israel (Dibaca 30647 kali)

biobio · « **Jawab #90 pada:** Pebruari 02, 2009, 02:07:17 PM »

Kutip dari: luth pada Januari 31, 2009, 03:52:10 AM

trus komen bio2 gmana atas tulisan2 itu?
stuju ataw tidak atau ada pendapat lain?

gue cuma tertawa liatnya...mau gue tanggapin. eh ternyata udah ditanggapin om lunaris...

Lunaris · « **Jawab #91 pada:** Pebruari 02, 2009, 07:26:21 PM »

Artikel-artikel lainya dari honestreporting.com.

27 January 2009
Digging For the Truth
Is your local media reporting what really went on in Gaza?

Despite widespread charges leveled against Israel in the international media, some journalists have, to their credit, made the effort to dig deeper amidst the rubble to find out what really went on in Gaza and the crimes committed by Hamas against its own people. Here are a couple of stories that you may not have seen in your local media.

Hamas hijacking ambulances:

According to the Sydney Morning Herald:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/hamas-tried-to-hijack-ambulances-during-gaza-war/2009/01/25/1232818246374.html

Palestinian civilians living in Gaza during the three-week war with Israel have spoken of the challenge of being caught between Hamas and Israeli soldiers as the radical Islamic movement that controls the Gaza strip attempted to hijack ambulances.

Mohammed Shriteh, 30, is an ambulance driver registered with and trained by the Palestinian Red Crescent Society.

His first day of work in the al-Quds neighbourhood was January 1, the sixth day of the war. "Mostly the war was not as fast or as chaotic as I expected," Mr Shriteh told the Herald. "We would co-ordinate with the Israelis before we pick up patients, because they have all our names, and our IDs, so they would not shoot at us."

Mr Shriteh said the more immediate threat was from Hamas, who would lure the ambulances into the heart of a battle to transport fighters to safety.

Hamas's human shields:

Der Spiegel reveals the abuse of Palestinian civilian homes by Hamas:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,603203,00.html

Hail's house is just a few streets away and only suffered light damage. There are a few bullet holes in the living room walls and all of the window panes are broken. Hail also found out after the cease-fire that the militants had used his house as a base for their operations. The door to his house stood open and there were electric cables lying in the hallway. When Hail followed them they led to his neighbor's house which it seems Hamas had mined.

As Hail, in his mid-30s, sat on his porch and thought about what to do a man came by: He was from Hamas and had left something in Hail's home. He let him in and the man then emerged with a bullet proof vest, a rocket launcher and an ammunitions belt. An hour later a fighter with Islamic Jihad called to the door, then disappeared onto the roof and reappeared with a box of ammunition. "The abused civilians' homes for their own purposes. That is not right," Hail says with disgust while trying to remain polite.

IDF INVESTIGATES CASUALTY FIGURES

YNet News reports:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3661940,00.html

A continuing IDF investigation into the number of civilian Palestinian casualties during the Israeli offensive in Gaza indicated that only 250 of the fatalities were civilians.

The military estimates that between 1,100 and 1,200 people were killed during the offensive. Some 700 of are believed to be militants and most are believed to be Hamas operatives.

The IDF is still trying to ascertain the identity of the remaining fatalities, but security sources said many would probably turn out to be militants as well. "Hamas is familiar with the numbers and is doing everything it can to concealed them," said an IDF source....

Many of the fatalities were considered to be civilians at first, because there were no weapons found with them, said a military source, "But that method of operation is consistent with the way Hamas was hiding in the midst of civilians, moving between their strongholds with no weapons. In many cases someone thought to be a civilian casualty turned out to be a Hamas operative after we ran our checks."

22 January 2009
Gaza Doctor Says Death Toll Inflated
Is there more to the figures than meets the eye?
http://honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/new/Gaza_Doctor_Says_Death_Toll_Inflated.asp

YNet News asks:

What really is behind the numbers reported on the number of civilian casualties in the Gaza Strip? Italian newspaper Corriere Della Sera reported Thursday that a doctor working in Gaza's Shifa Hospital claimed that Hamas has intentionally inflated the number of casualties resulting from Israel's Operation Cast Lead.

"The number of deceased stands at no more than 500 to 600. Most of them are youths between the ages of 17 to 23 who were recruited to the ranks of Hamas, who sent them to the slaughter," according to the newspaper article....

A Tal al-Hawa resident told the newspaper's reporter, "Armed Hamas men sought out a good position for provoking the Israelis. There were mostly teenagers, aged 16 or 17, and armed. They couldn't do a thing against a tank or a jet. They knew they are much weaker, but they fired at our houses so that they could blame Israel for war crimes."

The reporter for the Italian newspaper also quoted reporters in the Strip who told of Hamas' exaggerated figures, "We have already said to Hamas commanders – why do you insist on inflating the number of victims?"

These same reporters mentioned that the truth that will come out is likely to be similar to what occurred in Operation Defensive Shield in Jenin. "Then, there was first talk of 1,500 deaths. But then it turned out that there were only 54, 45 of which were armed men," the Palestinian reporters told the Italian newspaper.

FOREIGN MEDIA REPORTING REALITY?

As more foreign journalists gain access to Gaza, different viewpoints from the default attacks on Israel are starting to emerge. Newsweek talked to gunmen who admitted using a hospital for firing at Israel:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/180691/output/print

One of the most notorious incidents during the war was the Jan. 15 shelling of the Palestinian Red Crescent Society buildings in the downtown Tal-al Hawa part of Gaza City, followed by a shell hitting their Al Quds Hospital next door; the subsequent fire forced all 500 patients to be evacuated . . . In the Tal-al Hawa neighborhood nearby, however, Talal Safadi, an official in the leftist Palestinian People's Party, said that resistance fighters were firing from positions all around the hospital. He shrugged that off, having a bigger beef with Hamas. "They failed to win the battle."

Daily Telegraph correspondent Tim Butcher returned to Gaza for the first time since the war:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/4300408/Gaza-has-been-hit-hard-but-has-it-made-any-difference.html

I knew Gaza well before the attacks, so when Israel ended its ban on foreign journalists reaching Gaza on the day the ceasefire was announced, I was able to see for myself.

One thing was clear. Gaza City 2009 is not Stalingrad 1944. There had been no carpet bombing of large areas, no firebombing of complete suburbs. Targets had been selected and then hit, often several times, but almost always with precision munitions. Buildings nearby had been damaged and there had been some clear mistakes, like the firebombing of the UN aid headquarters. But, in most the cases, I saw the primary target had borne the brunt. ...

But, for the most part, I was struck by how cosmetically unchanged Gaza appeared to be. It has been a tatty, poorly-maintained mess for decades and the presence of fresh bombsites on streets already lined with broken kerbstones and jerry-built buildings did not make any great difference.

JORDANIAN AID SEIZED BY GAZA GUNMEN

Will your local media be reporting this from Jordan's Petra News Agency?
http://www.petranews.gov.jo/nepras/2009/Jan/20/19000.htm

A number of armed men have seized on Tuesday a Jordanian aid convoy after entering the Gaza Strip via Karem Abu Salem Crossing Point, Petra was informed.

The aid convoy, which was sent by the Jordan Hashemite Charity Organization (JHCO), was unloaded to non-Jordanian trucks driven by non-Jordanian drivers after crossing King Hussein Bridge.

The UNRWA was expected to receive the convoy and unload it into its warehouses in Gaza to be distributed later on civilians in the strip.

The armed men opened fire at drivers after crossing Karem Abu Salem crossing point and forced them to head to their own warehouses.

UNRWA has asked the transport company not to send the aid convoys scheduled for Tuesday and Wednesday until the issue of the seized convoy is solved.

Lunaris · « **Jawab #92 pada:** Pebruari 02, 2009, 07:34:53 PM »

http://honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/new/Holding_Fire_IDF_Withdraws_From_Gaza.asp

19 January 2009

Holding Fire: IDF Withdraws From Gaza
As the military operation draws down, the media war continues.

WHY BELIEVE HAMAS CASUALTY FIGURES?

The media has, so far, reported Palestinian casualty figures provided by Hamas controlled sources such as the Palestinian Health Ministry in Gaza. Hamas operatives have dressed in civilian clothing and hidden behind Palestinian civilians. Hamas has prevented details of its casualties to prevent a total collapse of morale within the organization and the international media has acquiesced by failing to acknowledge that a significant number of Hamas terrorists have died during Israel's offensive.

Now, if further proof were needed as to the reliability of Hamas's figures, it has arrived as Hamas claims that it has lost only 48 of its operatives in 22 days, the rest of the Palestinian casualties made up of civilians. This claim is so absurd and laughable, how can anyone take this or anything that Hamas says seriously?

TAKING ON WHITE PHOSPHORUS ALLEGATIONS

Writing in The Jerusalem Post, Gerald Steinberg admonishes Human Rights Watch for its white phosphorus allegations against Israel:

HRW's "evidence" was based entirely on innuendo and unverifiable "eyewitness" reports. One report states that "

n January 9, Human Rights Watch researchers on a ridge overlooking Gaza from the northwest observed multiple air-bursts of artillery-fired WP that appeared to be over the Gaza City/Jabalya area. In addition, Human Rights Watch has analyzed photographs taken by the media on the Israel-Gaza border." HRW does not name its researchers; it does not provide a detailed location of its observation, nor does it identify the photos it "analyzed" making independent verification of this "evidence" impossible.

Indeed, two days later, the International Committee of the Red Cross, which certainly cannot be accused of a pro-Israeli bias, issued a statement that backed the IDF statements. "Using phosphorus to illuminate a target or create smoke is legitimate under international law," it said, adding that there was no evidence that Israel was "using phosphorus in a questionable way, such as burning down buildings or consciously putting civilians at risk." (Flares assist search and rescue forces in saving the lives of wounded soldiers and preventing Hamas from snatching the bodies of dead soldiers. To claim that such operations are illegitimate is, in and of itself, immoral.)

Read the full op-ed here.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1232100169292&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

VIDEO: FROM DISENGAGEMENT TO OPERATION CAST LEAD

As the IDF holds its fire and begins withdrawing its troops from Gaza, this video gives an overview of the events that lead to the current crisis.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/ItRXApjiIRs&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/ItRXApjiIRs&rel=0</a>

MORE VIDEOS: HAMAS ABUSES CIVILIAN INFRASTRUCTURE + ISRAEL OPENS FIELD CLINIC

Click on the images below to view the following videos:

Hamas Fires from Gaza TV Building - view out-takes of Al-Alarabiya TV's Hannan al-Masri learning of a Hamas missile being fired from the ground floor of the Gaza TV complex housing the Al-Arabiya Studio. (For English, turn on CC captions.)

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/JY50cktUKbA&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/JY50cktUKbA&rel=0</a>

Hamas Arms Caches Destroy Homes - this IDF video documents how Hamas arms caches, intentionally hidden in residential areas, cause extensive destruction to civilian homes.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/vrZMvOPfCvs&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/vrZMvOPfCvs&rel=0</a>

Israel Opens Field Clinic on Gaza Border - see this short film about the field clinic opened by Israel for Gaza residents at the Erez crossing.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/ecH2UNFM0dI&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/ecH2UNFM0dI&rel=0</a>

YONJK · « **Jawab #93 pada:** Pebruari 03, 2009, 08:03:54 PM »

Buat apa demo anti Israel?

Yng jelas ya buat nunjukin perasaan KKEESSAALL sama israel

rawWARus · « **Jawab #94 pada:** Pebruari 08, 2009, 08:17:28 PM »

yg pasti israel memang menunjukkan rasa ketakutan yg berlebihan...ditunjukan dgn matinya 1 org israel dibalas dgn beberapa kali lipat dari tewasnya org palestina

wwnz · « **Jawab #95 pada:** Maret 10, 2009, 07:32:43 AM »

alou... yg masih percaya ma media2 (terutama media asing) n bela2in israel

dah tertutup kah pikirannya, jgn2 sentimen nih
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pranala:http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentary/Listen_Up_2.htm [non-aktif]

wwnz · « **Jawab #96 pada:** Maret 10, 2009, 08:09:03 AM »

pranala:http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentary/Sabbataian_Agenda.htm [non-aktif]

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nachan · « **Jawab #97 pada:** April 10, 2009, 03:45:26 AM »

menurut aq..
thu demo yang sama sekali menunjukkan keburukan kita..
hanya di mulut, tetapi tidak di perbuatan??
knapa kita menghabiskan waktu hanya untuk ber-demo
bukannya untuk membantu atooo ngapain gt?
misalnya berdoa?<religius dikit

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sith lord · « **Jawab #98 pada:** Juni 27, 2009, 02:06:21 PM »

Kutip dari: Lunaris pada Januari 02, 2009, 12:10:14 PM

Ada suatu agama di dunia ini yang secara jelas anti-semitic sejak awal penciptaanya. Jangan heran kalau pemeluk agama tersebut sangat anti-semitic. Kadang mereka bilang Amrik dobel standard dengan masalah ini, tetapi mereka juga sebenarnya menerapkan dobel standard sejak dulu.

BTW. Kontribusi Israel terhadap Indonesia sangatlah besar. Hampir separuh peralatan perang yang kita miliki adalah veteran perang 6 hari dan perang Yom Kipur.

ho ho ho..nyindir nih? baca lagi terjemahan kitab agama itu nak...jgn cuma dicekoki omongan pendetamu.

poin ke2, emangnya indonesia dikasih cuma-cuma ya?

setau gw beli tuh.

kontribusi apaan yg lu maksud?

sith lord · « **Jawab #99 pada:** Juni 27, 2009, 02:14:27 PM »

Kutip dari: eternal_aeon pada Januari 08, 2009, 02:34:37 AM

klo memang israel tujuannya menghancurkan palestina tanpa pandang bulu gak usah repot2x dia ngirim serangan udara gak usah repot2x dia ambil resiko serangan darat cukup satu rudal jericho berhulu ledak nuklir beres dech semua.

hahaha. mana berani israel pake cara sekasar itu kalo gak diijinin bekingannya (amerika)?? dasar **N

sith lord · « **Jawab #100 pada:** Juni 27, 2009, 02:22:25 PM »

Kutip dari: eternal_aeon pada Januari 08, 2009, 02:34:37 AM

Klo memang serangan israel ditentang dunia coba sebutkan negara selain venezuela yang mengusir duta besar israel dari kedutaannya ( klo ini seh gw rasa karena presiden hugo chaves emang mo cari pengaruh untuk menandingi amerika ).

poin **N lagi nih. iye bro MUNGKIN cuma 1 negara yg ngusirduta besarisrael(gw akuin gw gak merhatiin), tapi berapa negara yg MENOLAK HUBUNGAN DIPLOMATIK dengan israel?

sith lord · « **Jawab #101 pada:** Juni 27, 2009, 02:29:10 PM »

Kutip dari: Lunaris pada Januari 08, 2009, 08:58:35 PM

Kutip
Disinilah peranan kita menyerukan bahwa Amerika adlh musuh utama kita, jelas karena dia yang mendirikan negara kecil Israel yang kuat.

Yang mendirikan Israel itu Inggris yang sudah bosen sama orang Arab dan israel yang saling bunuh.

dapet propaganda dari mana lagi lu? setau gw inggris mendirikan israel karena udah dilobi orang-orang yahudi yg punya duit tuh. belajar lagi ya nak

biobio · « **Jawab #102 pada:** Juni 27, 2009, 03:20:35 PM »

Kutip dari: sith lord pada Juni 27, 2009, 02:06:21 PM

jgn cuma dicekoki omongan pendetamu.

masalahnya lunaris ini ga punya pendeta... dia bukan kristen, tap athieis.

sith lord · « **Jawab #103 pada:** Juni 28, 2009, 05:48:38 PM »

Kutip dari: biobio pada Juni 27, 2009, 03:20:35 PM

Kutip dari: sith lord pada Juni 27, 2009, 02:06:21 PM
jgn cuma dicekoki omongan pendetamu.
masalahnya lunaris ini ga punya pendeta... dia bukan kristen, tap athieis.

really? gw banyak ketemu di forum orang yg ngaku atheis akhirnya ketauan juga belang dombanya. yeah, we'll see...

biobio · « **Jawab #104 pada:** Juli 09, 2009, 05:21:07 PM »

Kutip dari: sith lord pada Juni 28, 2009, 05:48:38 PM

Kutip dari: biobio pada Juni 27, 2009, 03:20:35 PM
Kutip dari: sith lord pada Juni 27, 2009, 02:06:21 PM
jgn cuma dicekoki omongan pendetamu.
masalahnya lunaris ini ga punya pendeta... dia bukan kristen, tap athieis.
apanya yang belang domba?

really? gw banyak ketemu di forum orang yg ngaku atheis akhirnya ketauan juga belang dombanya. yeah, we'll see...

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